I've heard both their albums, not my thing. But fucking awesome concept, actually album is pretty cool. Ha the concept fucking slays cyborgs going back in time to kill jesus. Dan Seagrave album cover again off the fucking chain. Dude I've listened to so many albums that don't click with me, it's absurd. The Key is one of those albums I've dld multiple times.

a band that has really excellent bass playing to check out is Pavor if you ever have heard of them before

Yo I think i've posted this before but it deserves to be posted twice.
Anyone that listens to metal needs to get familiar with this track at once. The fat man god himself on the kit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpAA-NBUqYk

yeah i've heard of Zimmers Hole, I don't got any of their albums though, should I start with their most recent?

Will check out Pavor, really love Steve Digiorgio's playing on Individual Thought Patterns and the bass on Order and Punishment. Dave Ellefson's playing on My Last Words comes to mind.

Ha I'm not even a fan of those fucks, I just love that track shit is pure comedy. I heard that album it's fun to listen to once or twice, didn't think it was all that great. That was the best track on it.

Pavor is another one of those bands that takes a long ass time to release albums, they have only released 2 albums in an 18 year span. check out their last one "Furioso". Rainer Landfermann is a godly bass player, easily one of the top ones

I want to mention that i'm one of the people waiting on the Wintersun album. Yea so the fuck what if it's power metal.

Yo out of curiosity did you think cynics last album blew dicks. (I like Sean Rinehart alot, not cynic.)

power metal with harsh vocals, I prefer it that way anyways never been a big fan of regular sounding power metal vocals, i'm looking forward to that album too, whenever it actually gets relased